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plantmind

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Lotus/Lily
« on: October 02, 2015, 05:12:47 PM »

I adore lotus and lily, whether it'a blue or white lotus or lily, it's all good.

Methods of preparation/ingestion: Lotus can be made into tea, smoked, infused with alcohol, or my personal favorite, simply eaten in it's plain or extracted form.

Dosage: I can't speak on behalf of the other methods since I haven't done more than a little dabbling with them, but in the experience of  myself and some others I've talked to, a good dosage of whole flowers or stamens is anywhere between 2.5-7 grams. The thing about lotus is there isn't much of a correlation between dosage and effects as you might see with other psychoactives. With lotus, quality over quantity, always.

Medicinal effects: Aphrodisiac, vasodilator painkiller, sedative, muscle relaxant, anxiolytic.
The seeds in particular are used to soothe the stomach and as an anti-inflammatory

Psychoactive effects: The psychoactive effects of lotus are extremely pleasant, if a little mild. Meditation and tranquility will come easily. light euphoria and giggling may occur if the specimen is of good quality. Sexual or sensual activity is greatly enhanced, in my experience for both parties, even if only one participant partakes of the plant. Effects tend to last between 30 and 120 minutes with oral administration. Tolerance builds quickly.

Notes:
Lotus wine is very nice and is easy to make. The simplest method is to pour a desired amount of wine into sealable container with a desired amount of lotus flowers or stamens (about 35-70 grams per liter is a good place to start) and seal the container and shake vigorously for a minute or two. Repeat the shaking once or twice a day for 7-14 days, or longer to get the best results. Pour through a strainer and drink the liquid. At the dosage I gave one or two 5oz glasses should be plenty for a good effect.

There are many varieties of lotus, all contain similar compounds but there may be some subtle differences. In my opinion, while Nelumbo Nucifera (Sacred Lotus) is more spiritually and sexually charged, Nymphaea Caerulea (Blue Lily/Lotus) is more sedative and painkilling.I'm curious to hear other lotus eaters' opinions on this.

Feel free to add any information or ask questions. :D
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akosi

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Re: Lotus/Lily
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 10:34:17 PM »

plantmind, do you have any experience smoking lotus?  I have a few experiences with the herb, both smoked and in tea.  Sacred lotus stamen is what I have more experience with as a smokeable, and blue lotus as well to an extent, but this one more so in tea.

Sacred lotus stamen in specific has shown itself to behave as a powerful semi-entheogeon/empathogen in myself, seeming to draw out the emotional tones of a conversation between myself and my lover.  A hookah bar was where we were at, and lucky for us, the staff were cool with letting us put a bunch of the stamen in the top of the hookah bowl.  I wasn't really feeling the vibes of the place very much before the lotus was added, don't get me wrong, the food was great, but there was an underlying level of anxiety present that seemed to keep me from letting go and thus appreciating the moment.  But like clockwork as I began smoking through the fresh hookah bowl with lotus on top, the anxiety melted away and I found myself in a state of flow, peace, and elegant conversation with metaphors bursting from their cocoons and taking off like butterflys.  My partner also noticed this effect, and too was engaged in the conversation and wonder of the room.  Overall it was a very enjoyable experience, and seemed different than the typical lotus sessions in tea that I have tried.

There is a theory behind this change in effects from smoking the lotus stamen, or sacred lotus in general (not sure if it applies to blue lotus or not, there is a debate whether they contain they same compounds).  Sacred lotus contains what are called isoquinoline alkaloids, which are essentially dopamine metabolic breakdown products, and in some cases have activity at the various dopamine receptors.  The compounds we speak of here, are aporphine and nuciferine, both closely related in structure to a special compound known in medicine as "apomorphine", which is a full dopamine agonist...  apormorphine is not believed to be found in lotus, but when the herb is smoked, aporphine and nuciferine may degrade into apormorphine, giving the herb a totally new activity profile.

For those who do not have a background in medicine, apormorphine has been used to cause ejaculation in paralyzed individuals when injected, and has also been claimed to be able to treat heroin addiction.  A euphoric aphrodisiac with anti-addictive tendencies that is eaten like a common food item in China...  what an interesting plant.  Is it any wonder it is referred to as a "Sacred Lotus"?
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Re: Lotus/Lily
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2015, 12:57:57 PM »

Wow... I think we may know why blue lotus is considered such a good sedative and aphrodisiac.  Check this out:

Constituents of Nymphaea Lotus Linn.pdf

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GHB (gamma hydroxy butyric acid) is mentioned in this study with the synonym "4-hydroxy butanoic acid"


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Table 1: Compounds isolated from N. lotus

Fraction Isolated compound

D2 Amino butanoic acid
D3 a)Threonine  b)Serine-Arginine dipeptide
D4 a) 4-hydroxy butanoic acid   b)Tyrosine
D5 a)Threonine, butanoic acid and Arginine
mixture  b)  DL Valinec)2-amino-7-methyl octanoic acid
D6 a) Leucine, D and L isoleucine and Aspartic acid mixture   b) Phenyl alanine
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Re: Lotus/Lily
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2015, 11:13:55 PM »

Blue lotus contains GHB...?  Hmm... I have never tried GHB but I have read that it is a potent sedative euphoriant with empathogenic potential.  My experiences with blue lotus (actually blue lily) match these when the dose is high enough.  We are talking 14-28 grams, but the effects are easily potent enough to reduce anxiety or even balance the crash one experiences the day after a night out at a rave...  Quite dreamy I would say.  I am going to have to re-explore this herb more.  To imagine that the ancient Egyptians were partaking of such a substance... that is breath taking.

Some pictures for you all:

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Re: Lotus/Lily
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2015, 11:23:19 PM »

Beautiful artwork!  Are these genuine hieroglyphics?  I have read of the Egyptians partaking of the sacred blue lily and potentially combing it with poppy and mandrake, that sounds like quite the witches brew...  Ancient Egypt was very spiritual and sexual, and even the priestesses were prostitutes of sorts...  I can see how blue lily especially would be useful for initiation rights and for enhancing such pleasures.  Aside from this activity, blue lily is believed to hail from the Nuphar genus of aquatic plants, which have somewhat similar activity to the Lotus family but are indeed their own unique species.  It is becoming clear that perhaps blue lily does not share the same constituents as the Sacred lotus, which belongs to a completely different lineage of plants...

I imagine a combined smoke of blue lily petals and sacred lotus stamen would be quite enjoyable...  potential full dopamine agonism from the sacred lotus leading to an erotic and euphoric awareness with the calming and seductive gabanergic activity of the blue lily melting everything together...
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Re: Lotus/Lily
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 03:10:38 PM »

Do any of you know what form of lily is psychoactive and where to find it.  I discovered this: Crinum Laetifolium Vietnamese Lily is that psychoactive/euphoric?
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Re: Lotus/Lily
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 12:21:10 PM »

Hi Nashama, Blue lotus refers to Nymphaea caerulea, and this is the commonly referenced psychoactive lotus (actually a blue lilly).  Sacred lotus, known as Nelumbo nucifera is also active (the stamens are the most potent), but the effects are slightly different than the blue lotus, which is somewhat narcotic in action.

You can buy properly identified blue lotus here: https://meridianbotanicals.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=646

and properly identified sacred lotus stamen here: https://meridianbotanicals.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=321
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